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It took me over 10 years to move up from my Thompson Model A, and then it was to the Thompson Pro, witch ad a pedestal base, and interchangeable jaws.  I then moved up through about 3 other vises each more expensive than the last.  When I got my Nor-vise, I didn't think I would want anything else, and got ride of a few of my earlier models.  Both the Thompson vises are still in the family, and still work just fine.  The most expensive vise I ever had was a Dyna-King Sidewinder,, witch I picked up in a trade.  In July, I returned the Sidewinder to the Original owners daughter so she can learn to tie. 

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20 hours ago, XPATier said:

You guys really didn't need to be condescending to the guy. He asked a question about a particular vise. Just because some you won't spend a dime on anything there are those of us who appreciate tying on a high quality vise and can also appreciate the machining and finish a manufactures puts into their product. 
 

Some of you probably scare off newbies and that's not what this hobby or forum should be about. One thing I've noticed is over the years as a guy gets better and better at tying, most want to move up to a high quality vise and there is nothing wrong with that if it's in his means to do so. I was raised up and taught that if you don't have something nice to say.....don't say anything. 
 

Sorry I stepped in here today.  Back to tying on my $650 vise. Hmmmm....but which one?

I don't think anyone is being condescending. here.  I question the OP and the way it was posted.  I doubt anyone here can relate to a $1000 vise.  

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That J vise is very nice XPATier.  I had a chance to tie on one at the Tyer’s symposium in Jersey one year which had Damascus steel

jaws.  Really a thing of beauty and very functional.  Someday !

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I don't think anyone was being condescending, either.  

I would like to see the question answered about what feature or set of features makes this vice stand out in the OP's eyes, or is it just the design/style of the vice.  Style and features are two different things in my mind.    

 

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On 9/10/2022 at 12:03 PM, XPATier said:

You guys really didn't need to be condescending to the guy. He asked a question about a particular vise. Just because some you won't spend a dime on anything there are those of us who appreciate tying on a high quality vise and can also appreciate the machining and finish a manufactures puts into their product. 
 

Some of you probably scare off newbies and that's not what this hobby or forum should be about. One thing I've noticed is over the years as a guy gets better and better at tying, most want to move up to a high quality vise and there is nothing wrong with that if it's in his means to do so. I was raised up and taught that if you don't have something nice to say.....don't say anything. 
 

Sorry I stepped in here today.  Back to tying on my $650 vise. Hmmmm....but which one?

 At 12 post you may have not been lurking here for long and I think you're missing the humor in the comments.  There has always been a good natured disagreement on this forum between those of us who pay $$$$ for a boutique vises and those of us who view a vise as simple a hook holder.  Comments from both sides have merit and IMO generally not meant to insult or to drive people away.  Opinions are subjective and are really a great part of the fun here- Over the years I have learned much even, from the sometimes harshly written ones.  If a condescending opinion is enough to scare away a newbie then I would suggest they might have some other more serious life issues they should probably work on before taking up what can be at times a really frustrating hobby.

I know from being around here for a while we have members who use everything from vintage Herter's (under $20 on ebay) all the way to LAW vises.   I understand and agree with the viewpoint that a $150 for a vise is enough because it will hold a hook just fine.   I use a $650 vise because I like nice things, that's just me and besides it's my money.

I also know from being around here for a while that most members are anything but condescending to newbies.  I've seen nothing but support and what I consider solid advise when some one new joins.  So Grog if you intend to spend a grand on a C&F vise it's just fine with me,  you have my permission to spend your money. 😅

 

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Thanks xpat. I’ve  had similar reactions on other forums when all I wanted was answers/insights/experiences from other users. Like April once said, “cut away the fluff; don’t need or want it” (Vokey). Tying flies for 35+ years (ultra realistic to impressionistic).  Know what I want. It’s the overall experience from purchasing the tying materials, tying whatever I come up with to not just catching a lot of fish, but now targeting that one riser on the far bank with the fewest presentations and false casts, and when it gets put down, knowing to move on to the next. I have the utmost pleasure of teaching my son to not only be an accomplished tyer and great caster, but also how to observe and fish. Now we get to the stream and we watch and talk for a half hour, observing what we’re seeing, then fish. Teaching is patience and patient observation is learning. Everyone grows in this sport as I have, as well, and part of that is tying on a good vise. Needed? No, but….

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3 hours ago, Grog said:

Thanks xpat. I’ve  had similar reactions on other forums when all I wanted was answers/insights/experiences from other users. Like April once said, “cut away the fluff; don’t need or want it” (Vokey). Tying flies for 35+ years (ultra realistic to impressionistic).  Know what I want. It’s the overall experience from purchasing the tying materials, tying whatever I come up with to not just catching a lot of fish, but now targeting that one riser on the far bank with the fewest presentations and false casts, and when it gets put down, knowing to move on to the next. I have the utmost pleasure of teaching my son to not only be an accomplished tyer and great caster, but also how to observe and fish. Now we get to the stream and we watch and talk for a half hour, observing what we’re seeing, then fish. Teaching is patience and patient observation is learning. Everyone grows in this sport as I have, as well, and part of that is tying on a good vise. Needed? No, but….

Grog, I'm glad you answered back. It is sometimes suspicious when someone with 1 post never answers back to answers to his questions. It happens all the time. I call it a "Hit and run"

Have fun, fish well, and stay safe.

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18 hours ago, Charlie1947 said:

WOW! I can't even dream that big! I'm just poor old man, you guys are millionaires!

Millionaires?  Sadly not I Charlie, but I do have a passion (my wife would say obsession) regarding all things fly fishing..   I gladly make sacrifices in other area's of my life to be able to afford fine tackle and tying gear.  It's not that hard for me as this is my only sport and hobby.  I have friends who think paying $600 for a vise or top dollar for a fly rod is absurd. BUT these same friends golf, ski, have dirt bikes, collect firearms, own snowmobiles and/or boats or go on destination hunting trips. They keep the local casinos in business while owning Harleys and Corvettes.  And for some of them there's the most expensive pursuit of all- chasing the ladies.  All those big boy toys get really expensive so I can understand their point of view.  For me however using fine tackle adds to the enjoyment of the only sport I love- so why not? 😊

 

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Fascinating thread...as always when discussing fly tying vises. I own 3 and rotate using each of them for the pleasure of it.

First and foremost the vise's primary function is to hold the hook...period. When shopping for that "hook holder" your budget will set the standard for what you feel you can buy. If you can afford $600, $700 or more go for it. If not. there are plenty of affordable vises that will do the job.

Second criteria...what do you tie? If you run the gamut of 28 midges to say 6/0 muskie flies then make sure the vise you buy can EASILY handle that range of hooks. I find for me I really like having the bobbin rest and the back plate behind the fly. Other than that it doesn't matter to me.

Please note I have not mentioned any particular brand. I know what I like but that must be your decision. If you want I can add to names I'd recommend based on 50+ years of tying experience.

Good luck with your vise hunt and with what ever you decide. Be sure to let us know how things work out.

Cheers,
George

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On 9/9/2022 at 6:58 PM, mikechell said:

Didn't you see the doojaflippy on the gadapackle?

I'm glad you pointed it out I had missed it at first!

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