Sabbatus wet fly

[gadabout 0]

I’ve been recently intrigued by this wet fly from Plate #8 in Ray Bergman’s Trout. The link below shows a spectacular example.

https://pin.it/6mwI13e

How would you approach the body on this fly?  Two bands at once, or one at a time?

[dflanagan 0]

IIRC Don Bastian tied this in his second video. I believe he tied it with a white floss body and used the black floss as a rib. 

[cphubert 0]

I would build the taper with white wooly thread tied tight and flat not corded, covered with white floss with a black floss rib.

[gadabout 0]

13 minutes ago, dflanagan said:

IIRC Don Bastian tied this in his second video. I believe he tied it with a white floss body and used the black floss as a rib. 

I’ll have to look for that.  I only have his first video.

[niveker 0]

38 minutes ago, gadabout said:

Two bands at once, or one at a time?

If I wished it to look like the linked photo, I would wrap 2 strands at once, but if I were to tie my version, it would be a white floss body with black floss rib.  I don't care for that barber pole look on larger flies.   

[chugbug27 0]

That pic is really stunning, yeah. Nice choice of fly to obsess about for a whirl. I hope you'll post what you come up with.

Fwiw I'm with niveker re two at once. That way you'll also have an easier time getting the black and white to be the same width, than if you had to wrap your black floss alone in perfectly spaced increments. Wrap them loosely to avoid overlap and your white underbody will make it so you don't see any gaps. If you're gonna fish it make sure to wrap a coat of silver tinsel over the black floss when you tie that in underneath, or it will show through the white when wet. Just my own 2¢

[dflanagan 0]

3 hours ago, gadabout said:

I’ll have to look for that.  I only have his first video.

https://www.bennett-watt.com/collections/download/products/advanced-classic-wet-flies-with-don-bastian 

 

[flytire 0]

the recipe in trout by ray bergman states 

"alternate black and white floss ribbing"

i would tie a white floss body and rib with black floss

you could ask fred kline how he tied it

@grizzlykingfly on Instagram: “Sabattus From Ray Bergman’s Trout 1938 Plate No. 8 Wet Flies Tied on #partridge_hooks Sproat Wet size 6”

 

white thread tapered under body, white uni stretch body, black uni stretch rib. more like the pattern in the book

white thread tapered under body, white uni stretch body, black thread rib. nothing like the book or the photo on instagram

white thread tapered under body, 1 strand of white and black floss wrapped side by side. nothing like the book but more like the photo above but not 13 wraps of ribbing

if you look at the photo below (from the dvd cover in the link above) it shows the ribbing per the book

 

[gadabout 0]

10 hours ago, dflanagan said:

https://www.bennett-watt.com/collections/download/products/advanced-classic-wet-flies-with-don-bastian 

 

Thanks dflanagan!

[gadabout 0]

Thanks flytire!  I’ve been playing around with a few different techniques.  Still undecided.

In one of Fred Klein’s instagram comments he states “a two hand wrap”.

[flytire 0]

two hand wrap

i have no idea what that is

might be this way of wrapping

 

[mvendon 0]

There is at least one pattern that's impossible to tie the way that it appears in the book.

Regards,

                    Mark

 

which one?

[gadabout 0]

1 hour ago, flytire said:

two hand wrap

i have no idea what that is

might be this way of wrapping

 

I’m guessing that is probably right.

Wrapping a white floss body and then ribbing with black is no doubt the easiest way to do it, but I don’t think it would give the right look.

[mvendon 0]

24 minutes ago, mvendon said:

There is at least one pattern that's impossible to tie the way that it appears in the book.

Regards,

                    Mark

 

which one?

I'll answer that when someone lets me know where the rest of the post that I submitted went .

[niveker 0]

33 minutes ago, gadabout said:

I don’t think it would give the right look.

Which look are you going for?  To my eye the body in Bergman's book and Bastian's photo vs. the body on Klein's version are substantially different. 

 

49 minutes ago, mvendon said:

There is at least one pattern that's impossible to tie the way that it appears in the book.

Alot of them are impossible to tie the way they appear in the book, for me at least.