Guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Kicking around my local lake the other night and was throwing a frog flavor of a hair bug. Water has a lot of weed growth to just below the surface. Bass lurking in the small open pockets. My bugs have the hook in the water as usual, some with the mono weed guards. Personally, I hate the weed guards. Now the question...any Hair Bug patterns out there that are tied with the hook pointing up? Thought of tying one up like that, don't know how to keep it sitting right in the water. Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vices 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Well schiff i have never heard of a bug with the hook pointing up... i got a couple days free here.. and I have been looking for a lil project to fill my time. This is perfect, so this is what i will do.. im goin to figure out how to tye it work out the bugs.. if i am successfull i will send you the results.. Jake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Hey Vices...Thanks! I was watching a guy throw a Mann's Rat or Frog with his spinning rod and just slide it across the top and the bass blasting through the openings in the weeds. I had to clean my hook off every couple of casts. Must be nice to have enough free time and talent to experiment. I really do appreciate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dble Haul 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 I've seen bugs tied with the hook pointing up, but they were balsa and not deer hair. The balsa body was planed so that the bug laid flush with the water and the hook was perfectly balanced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 I would think that the balsa wood would get in the way of the hook set. No give. Unless it is way back? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted July 22, 2004 I tie a lot of balsa bodied bugs. First of all it is best to use a long shanked hook. The balsa body also needs to be tapered so as not to interfere with the hook gap. painted and coated with a thin coat of epoxy these thngsare near indestructible. Â Mark Delaney Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dble Haul 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 QUOTE (chemprof2001 @ Jul 22 2004, 02:47 PM) I tie a lot of balsa bodied bugs. First of all it is best to use a long shanked hook. The balsa body also needs to be tapered so as not to interfere with the hook gap. painted and coated with a thin coat of epoxy these thngsare near indestructible. Mark Delaney What he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vices 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Hey schiffs, no problem.. the balsa bug is worth a try, as for the deer hair, i just tied one that floats hook up.. i just added a piece of copper wire(bent opposite to the hook) i cut the bug upside down.. paint the wire the same colour as the hair in the tail.. the tail end sinks but that shouldnt be a problem if your plannin on fishing it fast... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vices 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Schiffs... i just tried it with the wire tyed in at the back an pulled out of the way of you tying the rest(hook up) when your done cutting, pull the wire back up counter balencing the hook an tye off at the eye, paint it.. you can match the hair on your bug this way an it floats alot nicer.. then puttin the wire in the tail, make sure the wire is not touching the hair... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornmuse 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 QUOTE (schiff @ Jul 22 2004, 12:49 PM) Kicking around my local lake the other night and was throwing a frog flavor of a hair bug. Water has a lot of weed growth to just below the surface. Bass lurking in the small open pockets. My bugs have the hook in the water as usual, some with the mono weed guards. Personally, I hate the weed guards. Now the question...any Hair Bug patterns out there that are tied with the hook pointing up? Thought of tying one up like that, don't know how to keep it sitting right in the water. Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions. I'd suggest trying a "bend back" modification to a long shank ring-eye hook. That should keep the bend of the hook below the eye and keep the bug riding point up. Now I have to go home and see if it works! Â Tight lines! Â JC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GHow 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2004 Schiff, please check this out. I submitted the The Inverter to the virtual fly shop back in 1996. Â It isn't an easy tye or a cheap pattern (saddle hackle wings) but it's effective. It takes a 9wt to cast and light winds. Weeds have always been a big problem on Lake Congamond, my home waters. I don't fish it often but I tried it the other night after reading Pujic's bass post in the reports section. Could only raise a couple dinks that couldn't take it all the way. Boat traffic and our second chemical weed treatment for the lake in the last four years this June didn't help matters. River fishing is my only option until the fall. A stinger hook isn't exactly a strong hook but it fits the profile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted July 23, 2004 Alot of good ideas!!! I`m always having to clean my hook when I`m fishin in algae (sp?) but those days might be over. You could cut the deer hair flat on the opposite side of the hook point maybe? I`m gonna try that sometime soon! Thanks for the idea! Tight lines and good tyin!-redneck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flydog33 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2004 I just did some experimenting. Take tmc 9394 4xl ss hook, put a bend of about 10 deg. approx. 1/3 down the shank, bend the point up (alittle). I tied on some bucktail, then saddle hackles at the bend you just made. This should leave about half of the bent portion for spinning hair. When I finished, I tested in a sink full of water. Hook point up, and when the tail got wet, the spun head stuck out very nicely. Hope my experimenting helps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted July 23, 2004 I can't thank you guys enough...! Vices, sounds like you have the counter weight idea working for your fly, but I just can't visualize the tie. So, I think the bend back ideas thrown out here will be my answer. GHow has a detailed link that I can sit down and follow at the vice, so since I don't tie much, I'll use that. If more ideas are out there, feel free to toss them out there, I'm obviously not the only one buggin over the weeds. Man, talk about brain storming, this forum has the power! Thanks again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vices 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2004 LOL.. i did make that sound more complicated than it should have been, your right alot of good tyers with alot of good answers.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites