James 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2020 I was checking if anyone here has any Spey fly tying experience. I have seen photos of these flies and I am interested in tying some up and would like some pointers on materials and techniques I think fishing them on a sink tip for brown trout might be a a gas. Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philly 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2020 James, you might want to check out the Classic and Salmon Fly Forum on the site. The only time I've used spey hackle is to tie what amount to woolly buggers on steroids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarrellP 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2020 Get Veverka's book on Spey flies. It is very helpful. Also, check out McPhail's videos. I am trying to start with some, as well. They aren't simple, just sparse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moshup 0 Report post Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, DarrellP said: Get Veverka's book on Spey flies. It is very helpful. Also, check out McPhail's videos. I am trying to start with some, as well. They aren't simple, just sparse. Good book recommendation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Knapp 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2020 Would someone like to tell me what distinguishes a spey fly from another fly, please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandan 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mark Knapp said: Would someone like to tell me what distinguishes a spey fly from another fly, please? @Mark Knapp Here you go from Fly Tier magazine. Classic Spey Flies for Steelhead Spey flies were tied on lightweight hooks that usually had slightly longer shanks than the ordinary salmon hooks of the day. The bodies were slender and made from wool, either dubbed or wound directly on the hook. These flies were tied in subtle shades of olive, black, and brown, and they had no tails. There were exceptions, however, such as the Lady Caroline, Green Queen, and the Grant flies, which are all contained in George Kelson’s famous book titled The Salmon Fly, published in 1895. Spey flies had multiple ribs, usually made from a combination of flat and oval tinsels, one of which was sometimes counterwrapped over the characteristic body hackles. Hackles, made using heron or “Spey hackle,” were long and flowing. Spey hackles were saddle hackles from a line of chickens called Spey cocks, male birds specially bred to yield feathers containing extra-long fibers; curiously, it is thought that the Spey cock is now extinct. The butt ends of the hackles were usually tied in at the ends of the bodies and wrapped forward. Spey flies had short bodies that extended only to opposite the hook point. The wings were usually fashioned from bronze mallard or teal flank feathers, and varied greatly in length. Some wings extended half the length of the body, and others went well past the end of the body, but they rarely reached beyond the end of the hook. Originally, wings were not tied quite so low as they are today, but canted up slightly and were closer to being simple strip wings. Spey flies also had small finished heads. There were exceptions to all these features because there have never been actual rules for tying salmon flies, just well-defined conventions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Knapp 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2020 Thank you very much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandan 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mark Knapp said: Thank you very much. You, my friend, are very welcome. I'd think the artistry in those spey flies would attract you like a cat to a bowl of cream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Knapp 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2020 I am very interested. I'm holding off a little bit though because I've got so much going on right now. I'm afraid once I start it will be a huge distraction in my life (like an obsession). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandan 0 Report post Posted November 20, 2020 47 minutes ago, Mark Knapp said: ...(like an obsession). I have no idea what you mean.😎 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2020 A stupid question... What do modern tyers use for spey hackle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarrellP 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2020 Blue eared pheasant. Duck flank. Hen hackle. Marabou. Chemically burned feathers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandan 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, chugbug27 said: A stupid question... What do modern tyers use for spey hackle? @chugbug27 This isn't a specific answer but there's ton's of info here: http://ronnlucassr.com/SALFLYER/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chugbug27 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 Thx, reminds me to get back to cyanide & seltzer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandan 0 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, chugbug27 said: Thx, reminds me to get back to cyanide & seltzer Don't drink that spritzer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites