Well Thanks guys for the great welcome, I feel at home already. I can see that there are some good guys on this site . The site was recommened to me by a close friend , who uses this site alot. Don't know what name he's using here I think its mbcarp or something like that. Gee I dont know if I can help any of these guys with their english, for sure not the Queens english for time to time , well quite alot I make numerous typo errors.but what the hey I'm not here for ny typing I'm here for the joy of learning and having fun while I do it. Till then tight lines to all.....pineriver(also so known as Kim)