iso18

Got it.Thank you Al and Gretchen beaty.All i needed to do was do the wonderwing in reverse. shane

Brian,I am using the reverse style hackle for the back wing.And hackle in frony.Something like a henryville,cept,the body is black foam and the wing is a reverse hackle wing. I think there was an article in hatches bout this,im gonna go look right now. shane

All I can find is a recipe for a little black stone foam.It just gives the recipe.Only problem i am having is the reverse hackle wing.I am new to this style wing and am getting them tyed on,but they never seem to wanna lay straight across the back.They either lay to the left or to the right.Help please. :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: shane To counter this problem i have been tying 2 over wings,is this a feasable way for a little stonefly black?

scruffy is good and so is the fly.I would love to float that through the mill hole under an ant this summer,it will definately catch u fish,nice.nice, :headbang: shane aka iso 18

smallie if yall started having some shows in the big wv i would definately attend. shane

its a pinkish clear color,dont knowif it would go with my new hairdo and my blouse :hyst: shania :hyst:

,just kidding.I was @ krogers a while ago and bought some sally hansens hard as nails.Had never heard of it except on here.What r some uses for it? shane

i was a sport mart 2day and got some thread and lead wire and i saw some other stuuf flat gold and silver tinsel on a spool and some other thing on a spool i had never saw,it looked like maybe foil?I \dont know maybe you could call them brian shane

Unfortunately my favorite streams trout r a big fan of the small stuff allot of the times and i can feel for u there.That is a very nice fly with detail for such a small fly. I agree with steelie. These past two years i have just started tying # 20's and smaller and it has made my tying bigger flies a much smoother and faster process.Used to be if it was smaller than #18 i would walk in the fly shack and dig through the bins,not anymore.I will never buy another fly? shane aka iso18

I just stretch it when I tie it down so it conforms to the abdomen or thorax of the fly (I also rib it when I use it for the abdomen). I just plan on using it for wing cases.Do you mean stretch it before u tie it in or b4 u tie down?,I will b using it on #12 #14 nymphs shane

Any one familiar with thin skin.I have been using it for wing cases and it is real bulky.Should i maybe cut a v shape at the tie in point near the head.Also,It bends upward on the side of the fly when tyed in.Any one know a cure for this.This is only the 2nd time i have tried dealing with this thin skin.It looks real good on some flies i have seen in the forum,any tips would be appreciated. thanx shane aka iso18

Interesting.........I believe i will still stick to the buck tail mostly though,just tyed half a dozen and they look more professional than the calf tail ones.But the calf tail does give a more buggy look,but the only streams i fish wullfs in r fast current and pocket water and dont believe the trout has time to distinguish if it is calf or buck tail. thanks for the replys rock worm shane

thanx guys--futz and rockworm my 80% of my heads you could lay a #32 hook 0r 30 on depending on hook size 12-14 etc. shane thanx again

Man were u ever right rockwormLee wullfs original called for whit buktail.What i read in books was different recipes,or substitutes.Just googled lee wulff and he always used whitelteail.No wonder i like the whitetail better,its what it is supposed to be and wow does it look good.And its the original,why woukd you want to mess with that.I have always had problems getting the tips even on calftail......not anymore.' thnax rockworm shane

Add silly legs,rubber legs and as said above marabou and when fishing try everything imaginable on the retrieve,,,,jerl jerk..stop..........line over hand retieve,wet fly swing,i've caught probavly 50 trout by accident on wooly buggers by leaving my fly in the waster as i waded upstream to fish another spot,just keep stripping line out and walk,,you will be surprised at the takes u will get. shane

the gorilla fly shane

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I do this exactly as u r saying and never have any problems. with woodduck,wing tips,antron,cdc,etc.,,u grt the picture.But tih the hair wings.If i wrap the thread evenly in front ,as u say,and have anice even layer after the hackles r tied in,on hair wings mind you,thread is to bulky and ends up being to bulk at head and the thread wants to fall off the hook.I know the mext thing you would say for that is use finer thread.But it doesnt have the pressure u need for such bulky wings.I think i'll try gel spun for the wings and swith for the rest of the fly. Walah!!!!!!!!!!Cant believe it.I switched the calf tail to white buck tail and you would not believe the difference it made.Perfect wings,perfect head,much smaller bump to stand the wings up.Bucktail is much easier to work with than calf tail.Hmm maybe calf body hair would be good also.Thanks for you input guys.I got it under control now. shane aka iso18 thanks shane figured someone would have mentioned this.but it was allot funner finding out 4 myself. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

First, make sure your wings are not too close to the eye (A common mistake that exacerbates the problem you are having.) You need to have space for 4-6 turns of each hackle AND a few mm for a head. (The traditional Catskill tyers put the wings back even further and left a few mm of bare hook shank in front of the head!) Take a couple (or six) of wraps against the wing, then wrap a layer almost to the eye and back to the wing. Pull back the wing material and wrap a couple (or six) times between the wing and the previous wraps, then a layer towards the eye- but not as far as last time. Repeat until the wings are upright. (What you want here is to finish with a gentle slope from "hump" to just behind the eye.) Overwrap the butts almost to the eye. Wrap the thread back about half way to the wing. At this point, there should be no noticeable bumps, ridges, or grooves; just a gentle even thread base to wind your hackle over. I do this exactly as u r saying and never have any problems. with woodduck,wing tips,antron,cdc,etc.,,u grt the picture.But tih the hair wings.If i wrap the thread evenly in front ,as u say,and have anice even layer after the hackles r tied in,on hair wings mind you,thread is to bulky and ends up being to bulk at head and the thread wants to fall off the hook.I know the mext thing you would say for that is use finer thread.But it doesnt have the pressure u need for such bulky wings.I think i'll try gel spun for the wings and swith for the rest of the fly. thanks anyway shane

sorry for the two posts i just woke up.

so step by step rockworm.You have 2 form the bump to get the wing to stand up.Waht would you do with the hackle to prevent this from happening. so relatively un humpy how do u achieve that precisely?Over lapping thread building it up to take away the hump? Cant believe this yall r letting me down thought i would get way more resonses.Thank you futz and rockworm shane

Congrats to all who one and placed.Great flies. And thanx will for the chance to participate :thumbup:

one hackle while hackling traditional dry flies with the long whiting 100's hackle.I am a self taught tyer,through reading,Orvis guide to begininng fly tying,orvis fly pattern index,Randaul kaufmans nymph tyer manual etc.,you get the picture.The books always said to use 2 hackles for a dry. I have been tying for about 13 years now and with the whiting 100's and the rotary seems i only need one hackle.I still get the hackle almost as full as with two.The question is this.Are there any drawbacks to this in any way or disadavantages of only using the one hackle? One more question,On hair wing dries like a royal wulff,with calf tail,you know the bump you build up in front to get the hair to stand up,are there any tips on hackling over this cause sometimes my hackle falls off the bump a little and is slanted,at the front,causing me to wrap over unwanted hackles and not letting me accomplish a neat head as I would like to have? thanks in advance,,,,,,cause since joining this site my tying has improved ten fold. shane aka iso18