I appreciate the comments, the last one was supposed to be a wd40 but just sort of turned out the way it did. It's a lot of fun to mess around a little when you screw up. Thanks for the info, I had no idea there was a local forum for us albertans. I really like that they have a beginners forum here which is one of the main reasons I'm here. It an be a little intimidating asking silly questions in a main forum, some people don't have any patience and seem to forget that they were once new like myself. I've seen nothing but help from people on this forum and its great to see.