CasualAngler 0 Report post Posted November 2, 2018 First attempts at Sawyer Killer Bugs. Hook: TMC 2457 #12 Copper wire from old Radio Yarn: Patons Classic Wool Worsted #00229 Natural Mix (Could not find Jamieson's Spindrift Oyster locally. Plus, I had a Coupon from Michael's. LOL) Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2018 The left one suits me better, has fat, but the shape exact color of bugs and shrimp vary from one water to another. I have tied them with a plain grey wool, a pink/grey wool, an amber wool and a couple others in past years. My latest with a wool similar to the one mentioned here; A previous thread that might be of interest http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=80757 and on another forum, comparisons; http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=85951 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CasualAngler 0 Report post Posted November 3, 2018 The left one suits me better, has fat, but the shape exact color of bugs and shrimp vary from one water to another. I have tied them with a plain grey wool, a pink/grey wool, an amber wool and a couple others in past years. My latest with a wool similar to the one mentioned here; A previous thread that might be of interest http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=80757 and on another forum, comparisons; http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=85951 I went through pretty much all of the Google search results, including the two you mentioned. Many different schools of thought, and many different tying methods, as well. The ones I tied just have the wire; I think I'll try some Pink thread underneath for the next ones, since the Patons isn't quite as pink as the Jamieson's . In the end, the KB is another easy pattern to , with minimal materials... right up my alley! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilverCreek 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2018 Buy Berroco UAF1214. It is a dead on substitute for the original Chadwick's 477 yarn. I have the Jamieson's Spindrift Oyster and Berroco UAF1214 and they are different per the link that tjm posted. The poster is Phil Anderson, a Wisconsin fly tyer and friend. He has a card of the original Chadwick's 477 yarn. Here are some of his comparison photos. I think it is still available as Berroca 6214.The description of Berroca 1214 and 6214 color is "Steel Cut Oats" https://www.ebay.com/itm/Berroco-Ultra-Alpaca-6214-yarn-Steel-Cut-Oats/200943931695? A comparison of Chadwick's yarn (bottom) and UAF1214 (top) as each appears on a card: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rstaight 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2018 I agree with tjm, the one on the left I like better. The one on the right comes to far down the bend. Both will catch fish. You have a good start. Keep at it, you will improve. Look at the examples Silvercreek posted and use those for a benchmark. Again, nice start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2018 SilverCreek, that exact yarn is no longer available, https://berroco.com/yarns/berroco-ultra-alpaca-fine. I saw Phil's thread on Clark's board about a year ago and searched for 1214 for a few months with no success. In the end I bought Berroco Ultra Alpaca 6214 Steel cut oats- the color is very close I think, having never seen the other yarns except in pictures. https://berroco.com/yarns/berroco-ultra-alpaca The difference in the two Berroco yarns is in the fiber make up: UAF is 50% Superwash Wool, 30% Nylon, 20% Super Fine Alpaca and the UA is 50% Super Fine Alpaca, 50% Peruvian Wool. Chadwick's is 85% wool / 15% nylon.So I have no idea if the nylon is key or not. Like I said I have tied and fished a few similar bugs made with other yarns over many years, I simply went by my interpretation of Sawyer's description of the yarn and bought yarns that I thought similar that were available where I was, long before internet and widespread information about the killer bug, so I was fascinated by Phil's work. (to this day I have never met anyone else that had read Sawyer's book, I borrowed it in the late '70s and made copious notes and drawings that I still have) I would send you a sample of the BUA 6214 for comparison if you want. 6214 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CasualAngler 0 Report post Posted November 4, 2018 Thanks for the Replies! Yeah, looks like I went too far down the bend with the 2nd one. Practice makes [more] perfect! I also couldn't find Berroco locally, like the Jamieson's Oyster. Next step... pink thread under the wire & wool! Alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites