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  1. I went on a 3 day vacation and this happened! I do have an idea and that is to ask what is the fundamental "purpose" of this bulletin board? Is it to teach us to become better flytiers. If so, that cannot happen without "criticism" of some sort. Is it to display our flies? Is it to share patterns? Is it something else that I have missed? I have my own opinion but the "purpose" of my post is to ask for the collective opinion of the members to really think and list in order what they think they WANT to both GIVE and GET from the fellow members. I don't think it is possible to develop any "rules" of behavior before we know the purpose of this bulletin board.
  2. They are supposed to be big fish flies so I hope you use strong tippet material and good luck!
  3. I've never tied or fished them but here's an article on the Morrish Mouse. I think the ones in the article have a slimmer body and thinner tail. Maybe a thinner body and tail is easier for a trout to take in???? https://www.flyfisherman.com/editorial/mastering-the-morrish-mouse/152907 https://deneki.com/2017/06/morrish-mouse-tying-instructions/ Here's version 2.0 https://deneki.com/2018/03/the-morrish-mouse-2-0-tying-instructions/
  4. They are probably dry fly hooks. Once it was thought that a turned UP eye preserved the hook gap and turned down eyes narrowed the hook gap. So in the smaller hook sizes, some tiers used turned up eyes. The angle of the hook eye has no effect on the hooking effectiveness of the fly. What is more important is to use wide gap hooks on the small flies. That is what I do for hooks of the up eyed hooks you have. Another alternative is to use a kirbed hook which is an offset hook point. A more complete discussion of hooks is here: https://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/index.php?threads/20-midge-scud-hook.892498/#post1536026
  5. I've heard of being cheap but that is ridiculous. Good for him for cleaning up the rivers. Nylon Mono takes over 500 years to degrade.
  6. He sure is. He taught me to fly fish and tie flies back in the 1970's. He moved to Washington state to be closer to Jason's family and Gary's grandchildren. We last fished together on the Madison in 2012. I'm to Gary's right and my fishing buddy Gene is to Gary's left. Gary wrote about our adventure in "Runaway Trout" http://www.garyborger.com/2012/07/25/runaway-trout/ Gary (upstream) and Gene (downstream) fishing a side branch of the upper Madison Here's a few more photos of Gary on the Madison.
  7. Companies come and go. Weber Fly Company of Stevens Point, Wi was the largest producer and seller of flies in the USA at one time. http://fishingantiques.com/index_weber_lifelike.php http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93413 Pg .19 in the publication of the Museum of Fly Fishing describes Stevens Point, Wi as the "Fly Tying Capital of the World" back in 1940. http://www.amff.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1981-Vol08-No2web.pdf
  8. http://fishingantiques.com/index_weber_lifelike.php
  9. Loons Snake River Mud is probably the most popular commercial "mud." Commercial Mud is made of several ingredients. First they contain a cleaner (detergent) that removes any oils or residual chemicals that are on the surface of commercial tippets from the extrusion process. These oils prevent the leader from sinking. Secondly, they contain a sinkant or surfactant (detergent) that destroys the surface tension of water molecules so the leader sinks immediately. Thirdly, they contain fuller's earth compound that dulls the leader to remove the shiny surface so that the leader surface is less reflective. And finally, they contain a substance (glycerin) that keeps the degreaser from drying out. If you look at the formula you may think that the only thing you have in your house is the detergent. However, you may already have a substitute for fuller's earth which is a special kind of bentonite clay. Bentonite is a clay material that anyone who visits Wyoming for fishing has probably walked on. It is a common material in cat litter and commercial bags of clay oil absorbent. So if you have clay cat litter or oil absorbent for your garage, you have the major ingredient for making your own degreaser. Glycerin is used in commercial leader degreaser to keep it from drying out. If you don't have glycerin, you can get some at a drug store. It is used as an anti-constipation agent. However, it is not absolutely needed. I make my own degreaser by crushing the clay to get the finest particles and then mix in Dawn or another dishwashing detergent to get a paste. I happen to have glycerin and so I also use it but you don't have to. I store the degreaser in a 35 mm film canister and rub it on the section of leader you want to sink. Degreasers are different from sinkants such as Gerkes Xink. These are liquids surfactants that you put on flies that you want to sink. They are commonly used on the marabou of wooly buggers so that they sink and absorb water from the very first cast. Another use is for small flies like midge pupa so they will sink faster. You can make your own sinkant as well. Kodak Photoflo, a wetting agent used in photo processing, is used by fly fishers to sink flies. The main ingredient in Photo Flow is ethylene glycol, which is also in antifreeze. Ethylene glycol disrupts the hydrogen bonding of water that creates the meniscus surface film that supports flies. That is how ethylene glycol prevents water from freezing. So try some antifreeze as a wetting agent.
  10. We all have stories like that BUT that is usually not the norm. I suspect that in your specific case of the chewed up flies, they began to look more like emergers or very buggy patterns. Here is my personal opinion. Some fly tiers made a living out of "ugly" patterns like Fran Betters and his Usual and his Haystack patterns below. Images are pulled from the internet. But that does not mean it is acceptable that when we tie a Comparadun below, that it ends up looking like the Haystack above. As fly tiers, we should all strive to get better and more consistent for the practical reason that it allows us to match other tiers patterns more closely. The OP should strive to improve as a fly tier and I have no doubt he will.
  11. Use mud! It also removes the sheen on tippets. https://www.yellowstoneangler.com/gear-review/tippet-shootout/ "Buoyancy factor Anglers sometimes worry about fluorocarbon sinking more rapidly, since it has a heavier specific gravity than nylon. (The specific gravity of water is 1.0, nylon has a specific gravity of 1.05 to1.10, fluorocarbon is denser and runs 1.75 to 1.90.) To put this in perspective, tungsten, used as a powder in sinking tips, has a specific gravity of 19.25. So there really is not a substantial difference between nylon and fluorocarbon, especially when most anglers are just using fluorocarbon for the tippet. A much bigger factor is surface tension. If you are using small­diameter tippets and a small dry fly, the surface tension won’t usually allow either nylon or fluorocarbon to break through the surface. This seems to apply especially for tippets 3X or smaller. Also, once the tippet material has broken the surface tension and is under the water, there is almost no practical difference in the sink rates of nylon or fluorocarbon tippets. If you are using a full tapered leader of fluorocarbon, only then does the weight become slightly more of a factor in terms of sink rate and breaking the surface tension more easily."
  12. You didn't say whether you kept the trout or released it. Please wet your hands when handling trout. It is a fundamental rule when releasing trout. I hope you kept it because it is dead. Most of you have probably never heard of "eye set." It is the position of the pupil in the eye and indicates whether a fish is dead or alive. I don't want to be harsh but from my experience that trout is dead. The position of the pupil in the eye is an indication of whether the fish is alive or dead,. Notice that the pupil is centered in the eye. A live trout will have it's pupil looking down as in all the photos below. I pulled the photo below of two dead trout from the internet. Notice the centered pupils. I think if those of you who are reading this will look at the photos you have of the fish you release, you will notice that the live ones have the pupils looking down. Here is a reference. https://www.themeateater.com/fish/fly/how-to-spot-dead-eye-steelhead
  13. They would say "Glug, glud, glug..." 😜
  14. Thanks for the link but that yarn is the wrong color and looks to be thicker. The thickness of the yarn strands is important because the copper underwire of the killer bug can be seen through the thin strands yarn when the fly is wet IF the yarn is natural wool. If the yarn is synthetic, the copper tones do not show through the wet yarn. Before I started reading about attempts to match Chadwicks 447, I thought all that had to be matched was the yarn color but that is not so. The material must also be wool and about the right diameter as well. Here's the real Chadwick 447 with 3 feis tied with the real stuff and 3 tied with the Berroco Ultra Alpaca Fine, color #1214 ("Steel Cut Oats"), dye lot #2J9711. Here's the yarn that J Stockard is selling as a match to Chadwick 447. It is too dark, too grey, and not mottled like the real yarn. You will note that the real Chadwick is a mix of different shades of tan, which results in the mottled appearance of the tied killer bugs above. I don't know if that matters to the fish, but the yarn below is not a match as J Stockard advertises.
  15. Here is a post about the Utah Killer Bug Challenge. The yarn used is Jamieson’s Shetland Spindrift Oyster 290. https://www.tenkarabum.com/utah-killer-bug-challenge.html If you are interested in the Original Killer bug, read on. The original Sawyer's Killer Bug was tied with Chadwick's 477, a yarn that has not been available for years. the yarn used of the Utah Killer Bug has been often called a close match but it really isn't. A friend found the ultimate match to the Chadwick's 477 which is Berroco Ultra Alpaca Fine, color #1214 ("Steel Cut Oats"), dye lot #2J9711. Unfortunately that is is also no longer available, but while it was, I was able to buy some. I was tying next to him at a Badger Fly Fisher's Spring Opener years ago when he showed me the yarn. The photos below are from his post above Three of the flies below are tied with Chadwick's 447 and 3 with Berroco Ultra Alpaca Fine, color #1214. The flies are wet and represent what the fish would see as the color and texture of the killer bug flies. Close-up views of Killer Bugs, both dry: Here is his original post on the classic rod forum. http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=85951
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