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  1. 1 hour ago, niveker said:

    Thanks all. 

    I gave it a quick rinse to remove any blood, as her stomach must have ruptured when she got hit.  Maybe I nicked it, but I don't think so.  Squeegeed off the water and she's in the deep freeze until I have time to properly scrape the skin, then another wash, with soap this time, squeegee, and under the borax for a week or two, just in time for the caddis hatches. 

    Time to tie up Eric Leiser's Woodchuck Caddis patterns. I tie them without the hackle, more like an EHC. Since Woodchuck hair is solid, the hair does not flair when tied and the pattern has a more realistic flat tent wing of a caddis.

    Imagine the pattern below without the palmered hackle.



  2. 56 minutes ago, Baron said:

    I was going to ask about this a long time ago but I CHICKENED out, embarrassed by my lack of experience.  I take It that the dry flys are often found in patterns that sink, i.e. Wooly Buggers and more. 

    I have developed and interest in fishing Soft hackles flies but was confuse as to what to call a "non-soft hackle". 


    Dry Fly patterns float. Wooly Buggers are not dry flies.

  3. Hackles are feathers from birds, either domestic or wild.

    There are stiff hackles also called dry fly hackles that are from roosters specifically bred over decades for fly tying. These are also called "genetic" hackles. The major brands are Whiting, Whiting Miner, and Metz. Dry flies are designed to float on TOP of the water.


    "Soft hackles" are used for "wet flies" that are fished BELOW the surface. The above brands also breed for "soft hackles" which come from the hens. Whiting has the Brahma line of "Chickabou" soft hackle feathers. Since the hackles are "soft" they move in the current and usually imitate the bugs that are in the process of "hatching" which are also called "emergers" OR they can be taken as small aquatic life forms.

    Game birds skins from grouse, quail, partridge, pheasant, etc., are also used for soft hackle flies.

    "Hackle" is also a generic term for spiky material that is wound around a fly to float it. Hence there are hair hackles that are formed from deer or elk hair that is formed into "hackle" using a dubbing loop.


  4. 31 minutes ago, mikechell said:

    Okay ... I'm a little confused.  While in the military, I drove a true 4 wheel drive.  I don't remember what kind of vehicle it was (ugly tractor type thing), but it was a real terror to handle.  Both rear wheels were on one axle, both front wheels were on one axle, and a chain drive system ran both axles.  No differential, no slip.  On a straight line, it was great.  You could take your hands off the steering wheel and it would run straight even over rough terrain.

    BUT ... trying to turn is a real test of arm strength.  The inner wheels of the turn are turning faster than the distance covered while the outer wheels are turning slower.  All the wheels are turning the same speed, as always, but the distances travelled are different.  It chattered and bucked as the wheels tried to grab and slip. 

    My understanding is that you CAN'T have a vehicle with full power to all the wheels without some slip, or it would steer like crap like that tractor/vehicle did.  So how does Subaru do it?

    I think you mean the inside wheels in a turn rotate SLOWER and the OUTSIDE wheels rotate faster. The outside wheels are further from the center of the turn so they must travel further.

    Subaru has multiple AWD systems.



  5. I make my wing a it shorter because I do not believe that the trout take a parachute fly as a fully emerged adult mayfly.

    The water surface or "film" separates what is emerging from what has emerged. Emerging insects are making the transition from the underwater world to the above water world and the film is what separates those two worlds.

    Where is the supporting hackle of a parachute fly? It is ABOVE the fly's body. Therefore, the body of a parachute fly does not sit ON the film. It sits IN and sometimes under the the film. The paracure fly is NOT a dry fly, it is an emerger.

    The post of a parachute fly does NOT represent the "wing" of the adult mayfly. It represents the body of the emerging mayfly which is above the film while the nymphal body/shuck is in the film.

    The parachute fly is a "suspender" pattern just like the Klinkhammer with the above body hackle "suspending"  or supporting the body which below the hackle lying in or on film,

    This is what the parachute fly represents:


    Way back in the 1980's on the [email protected] mailing list, there were discussions about the fact that the parachute fly is not an adult mayfly pattern.

    The horizontally wound parachute hackle is also different from the palmered hackle of the Catskill dry fly. Dry fly hackle is NOT straight. It has curve. There is a concave side and a convex side. One must decide whether to wind the hackle with the concave or convex side facing down. If the concave side faces down, the hackle tips curve down TOWARDS the water and the fly will ride higher than if the convex side faces down.

    I want my parachute flies to ride lower in the film and imitate an earlier or trapped in the film emerger so I wind the hackle convex side down so the hackle tips curve up and away from the water.

    I have discussed this in detail in this previous post from from 2018.


  6. I have a Mercedes E class with active drive assist. One winter, I was getting off of the interstate. The exit ramp was a progressively increasing radius right hand loop. The left side of the ramp was iced up and I started to drift to the left off of the exit ramp and the car took over . The car hit the brake on only the right rear wheel and that cause the car to swing more to the right and back on to the middle of the exit ramp.


  7. "Do not forget your toe tags, SASE and swap box with at least your screen name on it."

    I assume a "toe tag" is a label of what the fly is attached to the fly. SASE is "self addressed stamped envelope" to get the swap flies back to us. I assume a swp box is the box the box the we sent to you with the flies we tied. And it gets used to send the other swappers flies back to us. 


  8. 11 hours ago, denduke said:

    Wonder how it works if you have to shoot a bear?  Doesn’t scare off.   Life threatening and all.  Down hear in Dixie all we got is gators.   But they are protected.  If I had to shoot one attacking my  retriever I would be fined.   Don’t put your dog at risk,  my fault.  Not sure about myself.  Had a gator try to come in the back of my bass boat years ago.  I broke a paddle over his head.   Complained to lake manager and that night they killed 2 the one was 10’4”.  They stopped tryin to catch/ trap them anymore; too dangerous.  When they loose fear of people they are a problem.   The problem is people feeding them...Prolly put you under the jail for a bear.   Was that absolutely necessary?   
    When I was younger wading the swamps fishing had a huge wild hog run me up a tree but that was rare   Sow with shoats...

    Wonder if the Yellowstone guide died from reluctance to harm the bear...


    The Yellowstone Guide had bear spray and not a firearm. The bear was also destroyed.

  9. If the bridge had been "sanded" (sand spread on the surface) that would not have happened. Bridges are notorious for being the first to ice up because they are metal and they get colder much faster than the pavement laid on the ground.

    Much of the problem in southern states is the due to the lack of equipment as well as no sand or salt supplies to treat the roads.

  10. What are the 4 most important things in "matching" the hatch.

    1. Size - seeing 1/4th the detail of humans still permits trout to evaluate size.

    2. Color - trout can see the same colors we can and they see a bit more into the red end.

    3. Shape - trout can see shapes even though they cannot see the detail we can.

    4. Motion - Again, not seeing the same detail as us still allows trout to see motion = behavior of the natural vs the fly.

    Read this thread which is a more detailed discussion of trout vision.



  11. The Franz Pott flies are woven out of hair, for example, hair from a horse's mane.

    The two fly tying books (The Master Fly Weaver and Montana Trout Flies) that I have that discuss Franz's method of tying these flies are written by George Grant who applied these methods to tying stonefly nymphs. Here is a George Grant fly



    I've fished woven flies when I fished the Big Lost river on a private ranch near Mackay, Idaho. My fishing buddy's a son in law owned the ranch.  The woven fly I used is the Mackay Special which is an imitation of the cranefly nymphs in the river. I had a great day catching rainbows on that fly.




  12. 14 minutes ago, Steeldrifter said:

    My point is they take notes from non-doctors whom are just employers. Hell when I was younger my boss as the Landscaping co I worked for wrote a note that excused me. An audiologist now is required to have a doctoral in audiology. Hearing is a pretty important part of the human body so IMO a professional that is educated & skilled in that area should trump just some Joe Schmo.

    Apparently not.

    Here is a medical release form. It requires a medical doctor's signature plus the medical license number.


    The Basic Requirements of a Medical Excuse

    In order to be excused for medical reasons, any individuals summoned for jury duty need to provide the court written evidence from a licensed medical doctor that they cannot meet these required qualifications. Sometimes a doctor's note verifies that the patient "is being treated" for a particular condition. This seldom qualifies for an exemption, because being treated for a condition may or may not prevent a person from serving. The medical excuse must specifically assert that the condition prevents a person from fulfilling the requirements. Some doctors are aware of this distinction, but it's a good idea when you're asking a doctor for the required written excuse to observe that it must verify the incapability as well as the condition.


  13. 8 minutes ago, Steeldrifter said:

    That's ridiculous. They will take any ol' note from an employer to excuse someone from jury duty, but they won't accept something from an Audiologist whom is a trained MD. Unreal. 

    Audiologist is not a "doctor" = physician

    He would need an excuse from an Otolaryngologist = medical doctor


  14. 12 hours ago, haziz said:

    If I choose to dub a male Hendrickson dry fly (dark Hendrickson), rather than use a quill body, what do you suggest for dubbing material and particularly color?

    Thanks in advance.

    Hendricksons vary in coloration depending on location. Our Hendricksons (E. Subvaria) in Wisconsin are way different in color than Roy Steenrod's eastern Hendrickson.

  15. On 3/11/2021 at 1:01 AM, george ayala said:

    Here are my thoughts on clear epoxy.  When i see this sow bug or scud pattern on my vice, I think about how a fish would see it underwater and ask this question, will the fish see the same profile that i see in air or will the fish see only the solid opec materials inside the epoxy?  I would think this scud pattern wouldn't look correct to a fish because it would not be able to make out the overall shape of a scud pattern body. 


    I don't know why you state: "I would think this scud pattern wouldn't look correct to a fish because it would not be able to make out the overall shape of a scud pattern body."   There is no reason to think that.

    Put the fly in a glass of water.

    If you can see the shape of the scud in the water, the fish can see it. Trout see just about the same colors we see except their color vision spectrum is very slightly wider than ours. For what you are describing, there would be little difference from what we see as far as color is concerned.

    The fish WILL see the same profile that you see. Because the lens in a trout's eye is round AND the are in water, everything is in focus to a trout. They do NOT have to change the shape of their lens as human do to focus on an object as we  humans do.

    What trout do not see as well as us is fine detail because they do not have a macula for fine vision. Trout only see 1/14 the detail we humans see.

    But that is true whether they are looking at a scud fly or a real scud, so again there will be no difference in the detail that they see in the real scud or the fly. The fact that they cannot see fine detail means they have less ability to tell the difference between what is real and what is fake.

    The bottom line is that the scud fly will look more "real" to the trout than it looks to you, because  they don't see it as well. 


  16. On 4/7/2021 at 4:42 PM, tetraodontoxin said:

    Hey all, i got some new materials and got to pick up some blind eye hooks, already have some patterns picked out. But before I tie on the blind hooks I need to attach a gut loop to it. Seeing how its hard to get a hold of I looked for alternatives and ran across an article about using tippet mono line, so the first step was what they called etching. place a length of line in a small container, I used a small candle jar. Then put a small pool of super glue in the container and seal it for a day. That worked well as it turned the mono into a better color. Plus the line became less stiff, but seemed to retain its strength.

    I want to correct a misconception.

    To my knowledge superglue does not etch anything. Etching is what an acid does - removes part of the surface.

    Super glue does the opposite. It forms fumes which are deposited on the surface. That is good news because etching would weaken the line, depositing superglue on the surface would not.

    Have you seen the crime shows where fumed super glue brings out latent fingerprints by being fumed and reacting with invisible fingerprints on surfaces?

    Similarly, I'm sure what is happening is that super glue is vaporizing and depositing on the line that was sealed with the superglue in the jar.


    "These fumes will react with the traces of amino acids, fatty acids and proteins in the latent fingerprint and the moisture in the air to produce a visible, sticky white material that forms along the ridges of the fingerprint."

    Gut is protein and would bond with superglue. Handling the line prior to fuming also transfered reactive material to the line.

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