Trout bum - thanks for the teaching and the links. flytyre - I was winging it, I kind of made it how I though it was made. I made a few mistakes that I caught as I was tying it but Im going to tie from youtube until I get the hang of it before venturing out on my own. 1hook - yeah I wanted to see what the forum though, I knew i would get critized in a good way. Now I have more resources and ideas to make the next one better. RCFetter- already signed up. thanks. Mikechell - thank you! Rexw - thanks for the advice. It took me a good few weeks before I decided to give it a show. It looked easy to tie until I actually tried. Mike West. yes I know. I appreciate your honesty! Thank you everybody for your replies. I am still very new to this. This is a best as I can do at the moment. I am still practicing and hopefully will be able to post a "nicer" on in the future. I do not have all of the materials so I just kinda use what I have. If/When I get the hang of this I will spend the extra cash and buy the correct feathers and hooks.