Slightly More Challenging Streamer Patterns...

[mtbbrian 0]

I have some tying under my belt and am looking for a streamer pattern that's slightly more challenging than a Wolly Bugger.

I live in Utah, so I am looking for westen patterns.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Brian

[JRG 0]

I would say tackle the muddler minnow or zoo cougar.

[dafack01 0]

Unfortunately streamer patterns, most good ones anyways, tend to be very basic and suggestive. You can get pretty complicated with muddler patterns (Zoo Cougar, Butt Monkey, Muddler Minnow, Marabou Muddler, Rabbit Strip Muddler, Double Rabbit Strip Muddler, and conehead versions of them all) and Dave Whitlock's Sheep Shad series (which can be modified to look like just about any baitfish) is a fairly complicated tie as well as far as streamers go. A forum member, cornmuse, ties his Simple Shad very similar to how Dave ties the Sheep Shad.

 

If you need recipes for them do a search and/or let me know.

[DHise 0]

Clouser minnow, marabou minnow, butt ugly booger, zoo cougar, t&a bunker, gray ghost, black ghost, conehead bunny muddler, little rascal, motos minnow, etc.

[mtbbrian 0]

Thanks guys!

Brian

[Old Hat 0]

Try the hair wing streamers (Mickey Finn style) and as someone mentioned the clouser and thunder creek minnows. Also find some smaller damsel patterns. Sometimes just going smaller and concentrating on technique is a good next step for most patterns to hone your tying skills. Tie some eyes and rubber legs on your buggers in the smaller sizes if you haven't yet. The Slump Buster is another good pattern for western waters that would be a small step up from a bugger. I'll tie this pattern in smaller sizes using squirrel or mink strips instead of rabbit.

[rhinorods69 0]

here is a list i got for michian waters no telling if you can use them there or not but any ways it's streamers none the less and other bugs i teach

 

 

Class 1

 

Green caddis larva

 

Hook standard nymph 1 x long sizes 6 – 14

Thread black 6/0

Body bright green yarn - single strand of

Head peacock hearl or dark olive chenille

1) Tie in yarn using the pinch wrap method at the first bend (make sure thread is forward of tie in point)

2) Attach hackle pliers to yarn until rope is formed

3) Wrap yarn ¾ of the way up the shank (make sure thread is forward of this point)

4) Tie in peacock herl at yarn tie in point (warp peacock herl ½ warp around shank so that the herl is in the line of the thread. Then wrap herl around thread 4 time. Holding herl and thread together wrap forward and tie off . remember not to crowd the eye of the hook

5) Finish with small head then whip finish and glue

 

 

 

 

Pheasant tail nymph

 

Hook standard nymph 12-20

Thread brown 6/0

Ribbing fine copper wirer

Tail ring neck pheasant

Abdomen pheasant tail

Wing case

Thorax

 

1) Tie in copper wire

2) Select mahogany colored tail fibers according to hook size (bigger hook longer fibers)

3) Tie in tail length should be ½ of hook shank

4) Attach hackle pliers and make rope with remaining fibers

5) Wrap fiber forward ½ the way up hook shank

6) Wrap forward the copper wire

7) Tie back remaining fiber to form wing case (if no mahogany fiber are left cut off and tie in new ones )

8) Tie in pea cock right in front of abdomen . warp herl around thread 4 time til a rope is formed (make sure to leave room for tying down wing case and forming head)

9) Pull wing case over peacock herl and tie off pull remaining fiber aside to imitate legs

10) Form small head and whip finish off

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wooly bugger

 

Hook 3x to 4 x long streamer hook size 1-12

Thread black or color to match body

Weight lead wire or lead eyes

Tail black marabou

Hackle black schalpen or saddle hackle

Body dark olive chenille

1) Weight your hook

2) Tie in tail at bend of hook tail should be length of shank

3) Tie in hackle by the tip at bend of hook.

4) Tie in chenille at benmd

5) Wrap chenille to eye with out crowding it

6) Palmer hackle to over body to eye

7) form small head whip finish and glue

note this fly is tied in numerous color combinations some are all black all brown all olive.be creative and give them a try.

 

 

 

Black nosed dace

Hook 3 x long streamer hook

Thread black

Tail red yarn

Body small oval and flat two sided Mylar

Wing white black and brown buck tail in that order

 

1) tie in yarn for tail

2) tie in oval tinsel at bend of hook

3) tie in flat tinsel at eye of hook

4) warp tinsel back to bend and then forward to eye

5) wrap oval tinsel forward

6) tie in a small clump of white buck tail about 1-1/2 length of shank

7) tie in black buck tail same length

8) tie in brown buck tail same length

9) form small head and whip finish

 

 

Soft hackle

Hook standard nymph or dry sizes 8 – 18

Thread brown 6/0

Body single strand floss green purple orange or yellow

Thorax dubbing rabbit dubbing natural

Hackle Hungarian partridge or Indian saddle hackle or hen saddle hackle

1) tie in floss at bend of hook wrap forward ¾ the way up the hook shank

2) add small amount of dubbing to form small ball covering up were you tied off the floss

3) Select the correct size feather for that size hook that you have in vice. (The barbules should extend to the bend of hook ) and tie in the tip right at the dubbing ball

4) Warp hackle forward with out crowding eye when tying off the hackle put a few extra wraps so the hackle will face back

5) Form small head whip finish and glue

 

 

 

 

May fly nymph hendrickson size 12-14

Hook standard 1x long nymph hook 12 -20

Thread brown

Weight wire or bead optional

Rib fine copper wire optional

Tail wood duck flank fiber in lemon wood duck

Abdomen natural fur dubbing in seal brown or Hendrickson purple

Wing case white tipped turkey tail

Legs English grouse or other molted brown feather

1) Weight hook

2) Tie in copper wire at bend if desired

3) Tie in tail at bend off hook the length should be ½ of shank

4) Dub thread and wrap ½ way up hook shank

5) Wrap copper wire the length of dubbing

6) Tie in a length of turkey were the dubbing ended

7) Dub thread again and tie forward to eye leaving room

8) Tie off wing case

9) Tie in grouse barbules on bottom of hook beard style to suggest legs the length should not be past the hook point

10) Form small head whip finish and glue

11) Change color and sizes to imitate other may flies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elk hair caddis

Tan caddis 14-18

Hook std dry fly 6 – 20

Hackle brown

Body tan dubbing

Wing light or bleached elk hair

1) Tie in hackle at end of hook

2) Dub thread and wrap forward a level body ¾ the way up the hook shank

3) Palmer the hackle forward over the dubbing the length should be the length of the gap of the hook an over sized hackle may be used and clipped to length

4) Tie in wing just in front of dubbing on thread cover hook shank leaving a small flared head. Do not cover head wing length should be a little long then hook shank

5) Once wing secured whip finish at tie in point and glue .

6) Note other colors are green caddis green dark olive light olive and brown with brown hackle and dark gray with black hackle .

 

 

 

Bivisible

Hook dry fly size 10-18

Thread color to match hackle

Tail spade hackle to match rear hackle

Hackle brown dun or black on rear and cream or white on front

 

1) Tie in 15 barbules of spade hackle for the tail the length of tail should be length of hook shank

2) Tie in rear hackle at bend of hook shank

3) Wrap hackle forward 2/3 of the shank length tie off clip off excess

4) Tie in front hackle at 2/3 tie off point(just in front of tie of point)

5) Wrap hackle forward just in front of eye

6) Form small head and whip finish and glue

Gold ribbed hears ear

 

Hook 1x long nymph hook size 4 -18

Thread brown

Weight wire or bead

Rib fine flat gold mylar

Tail guard hair from hears mask

Wing white tipped turkey tail

Thorax mixed under fur and guard hair from hairs mask

1) Weight hook

2) Tie in tinsel at bend of hook

3) Tie in clump of guards hairs at bend off hook length should be ½ of shank length

4) Dub abdomen with hares mask blend

5) Wrap tinsel over abdomen

6) Tie in a strip of turkey tail were the dubbing ended

7) Insert hared mask in to dubbing blend and twist wrap forward to eye or bead

8) Pull wing case over thorax and tie off ‘form small head whip finish and glue

9) Note maybe tied in any color of hares mask you can find

Parachute dry fly

Hendrickson size 12 or 14

Hook dry 8-24

Thread brown 6/0

Tail med brown spade hackle or micro fibbetts splayed fan or clump style

Body dark tan dubbing

Wing feather calf tail or synthetic material

Hackle med dun

1. tie in tail extended off back of hook the tail should be length of shank

2. tie in wing ¾ the way up the hook ( length should be from bend to eye )

3. pull wing material pull wing at 90degree to hook shank wrap thread in front to make it stand up

4. post wing material with clock wise thread wraps.

5. dub thread and wrap a tapered body from bend to just behind wing

6. tie hackle in front of wing

7. dub and complete thorax

8. wrap hackle around base of wing counter clock wise and tie off

9. form small head and whip finish double hitch and glue

10. note color maybe changed to imitate other may flies

 

catskill style dry fly

Hendrickson 12or 14

 

Hook standard dry 10-20

Thread brown 6/0

Tail med dun spade hackle

Body dun tan dubbing

Wing wood duck or mallard flank dyed wood duck

Hackle Medium dun

1. tie in 10-15 barbules of spade hackle the length of hook shank

2. tie in mallard flank feather ¾ the length up the shank extendeding out over the eye of the hook feather length should be 1-1/2 the gap of the hook

3. post and divide wing after cutting

4. Divide in to two equal part to form wings.

5. dub thread and wrap forward to just behind wing

6. tie in hackle just behind wing

7. Wrap hackle equal in front and behind wing then tie off.

8. form small head whip finish and glue

9. Change size and color to imitate other may flies.

 

 

Comparadun

 

Hendrickson 12-14

 

Hook standard dry 10-20

Thread brown 6/0

Tail micro fibbets or spade hackle

Body dark tan dubbing

Wing natral costal deer hair

 

 

1. dub a small ball at bend off hook

2. splay tailing material on both side of dubbing ball use 4 fiber two on each side tail should be length of hook shank

3. tie in stacked costal deer hair ¾ up the shank of the hook with tip extending out over the eye after do not let go of the butt ends make sure it is secure and then trim them this way you do not cut the tails off when you trim the butts

4. pull up deer hair so it is at a 90degree to hook shank then wrap thread in front of wing to make it stand up right and flair out

5. dub you thread and wrap a tapered body

6. form small head whip finish and glue

7. flare wing so it sits 180 degrees on top of hook

8. note change color and sizes to imitate other may flies.

 

 

 

 

Griffiths knat

hook dy fly 14-22

Thread olive

Rib fine gold wire

Body peacock herl

Hackle grizzly hackle

 

Serendipity

Hook tmc 2487 size 14-22

Thread to match body

Body light green gray red thread or yarn

Wing case deer hair trimmed

 

Green machine

Hook dry fly 18-22 tmc100

Thread white rib fine silver wire

Body Danville plus or equal in chartreuse only

Thorax in peacock herl

 

 

Marabou muddler olive

 

Hook 3xl streamer hook

Thread black 6/0

Tail red hackle fibers

Body gold diamond braid

Wing peacock over olive marabou over olive calf tail

Collar deer hair

Head deer hair spun and clipped to shape

 

The zoo cougar

 

4 xl size 2-8

thread Danville plus color to match head

tail marabou color to suit

body sparkle braid color to suit

under wing white calf tail wing mallard flank feather flat on top of the hook

collar deer hair color to suit

head deer hair spun and clipped to shape

comments it is important to place the flank feather flat on top of the hook trim the head flat on bottom try a razor blade

 

grizzly king buck tail

 

hook 3 to 4 xl

tag flat silver tinsel

tail crimson goose shoulder

body green floss or yarn

rib small flat silver tinsel

wing gray squirrel tail

collar grizzly hackle

cheeks jungle cock optional

 

 

 

royal coach man goose wing

hook 4xl up eye streamer or standard sal;mon hook

tail golden pheasant tippet

body in thirds peacock herl red floss peacock herl

beard coachman brown hackle

wing white goose shoulder

 

Trout fin

hook standard wet fly

Tail golden pheasant tippet

Rib small silver ovel tinsel

Body medium silver mylar tinsel

Throat hot orange hackle

Wings married stips of 4 white 6 black and 10 hot orange

 

 

Little brook trout buck tail

Hook 4-6 xl streamer hook

Tail red over green buck tail

Rib med silver flat tinsel

Body white wool cotton yarn

Throat orange buck tail

Wing small clumps of orange and green buck tail and grail squirrel tail

cheeks jungle cock

 

 

 

 

kiwi muddler

hook 4xl stremer

body olive wool yarn

under wing pearl crystal flash

wing kite shape piece of rabbit strip

collar head spun and clipped deer hair

 

 

cone head zonker

hook 3xl streamer

head hot orange / red bead

tail orange rabbit or marabou

body peacock herl

wing black rabbit strip

collar schlappen

other colors:

white rabbit pearl body grizzly hackle silver cone

olive rabbit gold body olive hackle copper cone

brown rabbit peacock body brown hackle gold cone

 

Double bunny

Hook 3-4 xl streamer 2-1/0

Wing dark over light magnum zonker strips

sides flash a bou

eyes stick on eyes

head devcon five minute

 

deciver

hook standard salt water or strait eyed nymph

tail 4 hackle tips crystal flash

body silver mylar

collar buck tail to tip of tail

sides flashabou

wing 4 peacock herls strands even

eyes stick on

head devcon

 

 

family secret

hook 6-7 xl streamer

tail 15 peacock sword fibers

rib silver embossed tinsel

body flat silver tinsel

throat guinea hen

2-6 white hackles to tail

cheecks jungle cock

 

 

 

 

spruse fly

hook 6 xl streamer

tail pea cock sword fibers

body 2/3 peacock 1/3 red yarn

collar furnace badger hackle

wing 4 furance badge hackle tied back to back

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Double grizzly king

hook 2xl nymph eye cut off and 3 xl nymph joined suflon wire

tail crimson goose flank

rib flat silver tinsel

body emerald embroidery floss

collar grizzly hackle

wing 4 grizzly hackles

cheeks jungle cock (optional)

 

 

gray ghost (rangely style)

hook 8 – 10 xl stremer hook

rib flat silver tinsel

body orange floss

throat long white buck tail

beard white schalppen

under wing long golden pheasant toping curling down

wing 4 olive gray hackles

shoulders silver pheasant

cheeks jungle cock

assemble wing shoulder check for each side and then glue together then mount slightly to the side of center

 

 

brown drake

hook dry size 12

thread dark brown

wing posted elk hair

tail moose body hair

body dyed golden yellow deer hair

hackle brown or golden yellow dyed grizzly

 

grass hopper

 

hook dry fly size 8-10

thread yellow

body yellow tied bullet head style

wing pheasant church window feather treated

leg rubber yellow

marker egg yarn color to suit

 

matuka olive

hook 2-4 xl streamer

thread olive

oval gold tinsel.

wing : OLIVE DYED HEN HACKLE

BODY OLIVE CHENILLE OR GREEN DUBBING

[peregrines 0]

Brian,

 

You've gotten some great advice, and the streamers listed are all great fish catchers for anywhere/anytime. Rhino's list should work really well out there, Matukas, Spruce flies and sculpin type stuff like Muddlers and Zoo Cougars

 

A great big fish fly is a marabou muddler, and would be a great choice for big browns in October as they move around for spawning, and the strikes are savage, rip the rod out of your hands type deals. Tying the muddler head is a little tricky and involves spinning deer body hair. You can pick up a patch for about $2.

 

Here's a step by step for a simple muddler:

http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/flies/l...s_muddlers.aspx

 

For a marabou version, I like to use a big size 4 or 6 3 xlong hook for targeting big trout, but it's effective in smaller sizes as well. It's especially deadly on a sink tip with a short 4 foot leader (unweighted), or you can wrap some lead or non toxic stuff for a weighted version to use on a floater with a 9 foot leader.

 

Hook: 3 x long

Tail: none

Weight: lead or non toxic wrap, (optional)

Body: pearl or gold body braid, tinsel etc

Wing: Black Marabou

Flash: couple strands of pearl Krystal Flash (optional)

Topping: 3-4 Peacock herl strands (optional)

Head: spun deer body hair (natural brownish-gray color)

 

Other color combos I like to fish a lot are yellow marabou, gold body, and/or white marabou, silver or pearl body.

 

Good luck!

 

peregrines

[mtbbrian 0]

Thanks Rhino and peregrines!

Brian

[FKROW 0]

I like any pattern with bunny strips, great action in the water, easy to tie.

 

The classic Scott Sanchez "Double Bunny" is excellent and a genuine Western pattern.

 

Regards,

FK

[James Daly 0]

If you want to test your tying chops on streamers, try the Rogan Royal Grey Ghost. Tied thus,

 

Hook: 6xl-8xl your choice

 

Tag: Four of five turns of fine silver wire, begun at the bend of the hook, forward of which are several turns of light yellow silk, dressed thin, about three times as long as the silver wire.

 

Tail: A moderately long golden pheasant crest feather, curving upward, over which is a golden pheasant crest feather dyed red and cut off to one-half the length of the one below.

 

Butt: Four or five turns of a black ostrich herl. The butt is moderately heavily dressed

 

Body: Dressed very thin with orange silk

 

Ribbing: Narrow oval silver tinsel, rather widely spaced.

 

Throat: Five peacock herls extending to the tip of the tail, below which is a very tiny bunch of white polar bear hair of the same length, with a long golden pheasant crest feather below this, curving upward with the tip touching the tip of the tail of the fly.

 

Wing: Four gray shoulder hackles extending to the tip of the tail.

 

Topping: Two golden pheasant crest feathers, both laid on as one, extending to the tip of the tail to balance the throat feather. The curves of these feathers should match the curve of the wing.

 

Shoulders: Each a section of a barred wood duck feather wide enough to cover the wing and one-third as long.

[Pelhament 0]

Check out the Kiwi Muddler in my Fly pattern database. It works great on trout.

[iso18 0]

muddler(love spinning that deer hair) also try different variation of the standard wooly booger,step outside of the box,u never know what u might come up with

shane wv