help with mustad 94838 dry fly hook

[hunter72 0]

I was looking into buying hooks and found this website who sells these 94838 for 4$ a 100,they also sell the r50 for 8$ a 100 but they don't have the size I want in the r50. i'm buying r50 for 5.25$ per 25 locally.

 

so heres my ? what is the difference in length 94838 to r50? just wondering if I get lets say size 14 94838 be like a size 16 r50?

 

thanks for all input

 

 

[utyer 0]

The 94838 is a 2 XS (extra short,) shank. In a size 14, the 94838 would have a similar shank length as an R 50. It is also an extra fine wire where the R 50 is a standard wire.

[hunter72 0]

thanks for the answer utyer, but you say same size as an r50. did you mean size 14 or 16.also that you say its fine wire, are the hooks still strong enough for 10 lbs fish or the standard r50 is better for that. I know im being cheap but 100 hooks for 4 $ compared to 21$ locally sounds to me almost to good to be true.

[Dave G. 0]

Another way of looking at it but you will have to come up with the measurements. This chart shows the 94838 as being similar to a TMC 921. The TMC 921 while fine wire is not super fine. I don't think anyone can answer if you can hold a 10lb fish with the hook or not, that depends on many many variables :

 

Edit: the chart didn't load right, sorry

[utyer 0]

A size 14 94838 would be similar in size to a size 16 R 50. Wire size varies between hook sizes, so a fine wire hook may have a similar wire size to a size 16 hook from the same maker. As Dave said, there are too many variables to say what size fish could be landed any given hook.

[hunter72 0]

thanks utyer and dave g.im going ahead and ordering a shit load of hooks, at that price if I don't like them im sure I can find some1 who will take em from me.

[Dave G. 0]

Let us know what you think.

[hunter72 0]

hahaha this is to funny went to buy a bunch and they are all out of stock, I figured 4$ a 100 was to good to be true. why even advertise it

I just ordered a bunch from togens fly shop instead.

[Dave G. 0]

I learned long ago that I can shoot myself in the foot without trying so no need to go out of my way to do it as well LOL !

 

I just get the hooks I know I need, that I use all the time. I have a very full hook section in my tying kit but not all that many numbers. Streamer fly hooks are all over the place because of the different profiles I may want in my streamers.. For dries and wets and nymphs I mostly stick with mustad R50-94840, 3906 and 3906B, 9671. Tiemco 921. I need to find a sub for the old Accupoints curved caddis and scud hooks I'm running out of in 12-16. May go Daiichi or may just go 49S Mustad. I have enough left for this year so I'm taking my time.

[SilverCreek 0]

Another way of looking at it but you will have to come up with the measurements. This chart shows the 94838 as being similar to a TMC 921. The TMC 921 while fine wire is not super fine. I don't think anyone can answer if you can hold a 10lb fish with the hook or not, that depends on many many variables :

 

Dave,

 

That hook chart must be wrong. It misled you.

 

I find the specs for the Mustad 94838 as a 1XS short hook. The Tiemco 921 is a 2XS hook. So the size 14 Mustad 94838 equivalent a Tiemco would be as size 15 TMC102Y dry fly hook. Planettrout ties with the TMC102Y so he would know if the two can be substituted.

 

I use the TMC 921 quite bit for smaller flies to get a larger hooking gap to shank length ratio. I like the TMC921.

 

Here is a hook chart that identifies the TMC921 as 1XS:

 

http://www.swtu.org/pdfs/fly_tying/Hook-Conversions.pdf

 

It is 2XS as noted by Umpqua, the importer of TMC hooks:

 

https://umpqua.com/products/hooks/dry-fly/tiemco-921

[Dave G. 0]

 

Another way of looking at it but you will have to come up with the measurements. This chart shows the 94838 as being similar to a TMC 921. The TMC 921 while fine wire is not super fine. I don't think anyone can answer if you can hold a 10lb fish with the hook or not, that depends on many many variables :

 

Dave,

 

That hook chart must be wrong. It misled you.

 

I find the specs for the Mustad 94838 as a 1XS short hook. The Tiemco 921 is a 2XS hook. So the size 14 Mustad 94838 equivalent a Tiemco would be as size 15 TMC102Y dry fly hook. Planettrout ties with the TMC102Y so he would know if the two can be substituted.

 

I use the TMC 921 quite bit for smaller flies to get a larger hooking gap to shank length ratio. I like the TMC921.

 

Here is a hook chart that identifies the TMC921 as 1XS:

 

http://www.swtu.org/pdfs/fly_tying/Hook-Conversions.pdf

 

It is 2XS as noted by Umpqua, the importer of TMC hooks:

 

https://umpqua.com/products/hooks/dry-fly/tiemco-921

 

Thanks Silver, I use the 921 as well in size 18 and it's been a very good hook for me. No problem holding fish generally speaking, never had one open up or break. I don't know what's with that chart I found, wasn't meant to be I guess ! Here is a URL that shows the same thing though: http://www.buckeyeflyfishers.com/Articles/hook_xref/hookmust.htm

 

And rather than try and load the page, here is the chart I was trying to post yesterday ( URL): http://www.flyofthemonthclub.com/page.asp?p=24&i=66

 

Another showing both hooks as 2xs ! What's going on here ? Anyway : http://killroys.com/chart/hook-charts/fly-hook-comparison-chart-mustad/

 

I'm thinking these hooks must cross with so many charts coming up with it. And the reason probably is different designation specs. IE:1x short from what or 2x short from what measurement other than standard ? In terms of actual dimensions they must be very close.

[SilverCreek 0]

I tried to look up the Orvis hook models and found out that Orvis has now gone to descriptions of hooks. So all the hook charts that have an Orvis model number are incorrect.

 

http://www.orvis.com/fly-tying-hooks

[flytire 0]

henry

 

regarding the orvis hooks

 

in the photo below, orvis hooks could be identified by the orvis item number since they no longer have model numbers.

 

click on a size and the number changes to SI1523-25-08 with 25 being the quantity and 08 being the size

 

try it on different styles of orvis hooks and the item number will change

 

http://www.orvis.com/fly-tying-hooks

 

[SilverCreek 0]

Thanks Flytire. I tried putting the code for the Orvis model 1509 that is supposed to be the equal to the Mustad 94838 to see what the specs were for the Orvis 1509 and no hook came up. Then I looked for hook 1509 under dry fly hooks so I assumed they had gotten rid of hook model numbers. My mistake. They must have discontinued the hook.

 

Thanks for the correction.