RogueFlies 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 What is the advantage of the stainless steel jaws versus the traditional jaws on a regal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowmike 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 I have the stainless. They hold smaller hooks, less bulkier head as well. I tie from size 18-6/0 on mine and don't really have any issues. Plus they look Cool! LOL just kidding on the last part. the head itself comes to more of a defined point. I have a travel vise I bought for my son that I have tied nymphs on as well. If you aren't doing anything tiny I don't see a huge advantage. I guess one could argue the rust proof advantage, but I just love the heck out of mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gene L 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 They're smaller, as said above. Pointier if you will. Better hook access, plus I think they're "harder" than the standard jaws. Might be wrong, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogueFlies 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2017 They're smaller, as said above. Pointier if you will. Better hook access, plus I think they're "harder" than the standard jaws. Might be wrong, though. My thought was that they were harder than the traditional as well. But the smaller point does sound like a good advantage. I just ordered a regal, but I think I'll upgrade to the stainless when the finances are in order. Thanks for the good info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony300wby 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 I have never heard/read any reports of stainless jaws chipping, which is a common issue with the non-stainless jaws. Good luck, Tony Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SILKHDH 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 OK. Just a little lesson on metallurgy. Typically, if metal is chipping or breaking, it's due to being TOO hard. Denting or bending is due to being soft. Tool steels such as D2, A2, S7 can be hardened to higher maximum Rockwell hardness's than stainless. Different metals have different "maximum" Rockwell hardness's. I would bet the tool steel jaws are either D2 or A2 tool steel that has been hardened to Rc 60 or higher to be brittle. Stainless steel needs to be a 400 series to be heat treated and has a lower maximum treatable Rockwell hardness than tool steel. 400 series stainless is slightly ferrous. Non- ferrous metal does not heat treat. So, the tool steel jaws are more then likely HARDER then the stainless. That's just metal science guys. Is why the stainless has less chipping problems. They might dent easier, but won't chip or break as easy as the HARDER tool steel. To test hardness, The Rockwell system is nothing more then a set force behind a special sized tip to see how much it dents the heat treated metal. (A set Pounds per square inch force) You measure the dent. Comprenday! SO! The type of metal DOES NOT determine the hardness IF YOU ARE HEAT TREATING IT. It's the Rockwell you heat treat it too is what you measure the hardness by. I can heat treat D2 tool steel to only 50 Rc. and a piece of 440 stainless to 56 Rc. I just made the stainless harder then the tool steel. OR, I can harden the D2 tool steel to Rc. 62 and the stainless to Rc. 56. I just made the tool steel harder then the stainless. OR, I can harden both materials to the same Rockwell hardness, as long as I stay within the stainless steels maximum Rc. to harden the tool steel too. Typically tool steel can be and is hardened to a higher Rockwell then Stainless. That's your metallurgy lesson for this week. There will be a review followed by a quiz on Friday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikechell 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Silk ... will the test include a word usage section for "then" vs. "than"? Thank you, though. I don't have all the metallurgy info you do, but I did know that stainless steel generally can't be hardened as much as tool steel. It's been bugging me every time I read through this thread, but I didn't couldn't quite figure how to say it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SILKHDH 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 No it will not Mike. It's an engineering kwiz, wrather than/ then an English/grammer/composition kwiz. I Doug, sooooooo totaly addmmit that my riting and gramer scills suk!! Yu can Stil undrstand exaktly wat I meen wheather I spel It korect or not. Then, Than, tomato, tomoto, radish, cucumber,, I don't kair ... LOL...I'm from Kansass Mike, give me a friken brake bro. Every one no's peeple from Kansass kain't reed or rite. Geeze! How rood! I also addmmit that from now on I will porpusly mispell and use krummy gramer just to bug you Mike. LOL...Never show your weekness bro. LOL,,,,mine is oviously my composition scils. PEECE, OUT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vicente 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Haha silkdh, what line of work are you in? I personally don't understand why for the cost of a decent vise they can't temper/heat treat the tool steel jaws to a suitably hard but not brittle hardness, knife makers do it all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heavynets 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 As I understand it, it just all depends. It all depends on which steels and at what hardness they are. For example, if 440C stainless is hardened to 58Rc and D2 is hardened to 52Rc, then the stainless is more likely to chip. However, if D2 and A2 and S7 tool steels are all hardened to 58Rc, the D2 is more likely to chip even though they are all the same hardness. So it all boils down to EXACTLY which grade of steels you are comparing and their ACTUAL hardness.......information that you are unlikely to get from the manufacturer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SILKHDH 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Yo Vicente,,,,,,,,,,,FURST, I du makanicul engineering. Machines for the plastics extrusion industry. Siding and pipe. Tuns of punches and shear devices for siding. Is wy I no a little about steels and hardening. Cecond, They can. their is a fine line between hard and brittle. Testing!! it just takes testing. I say maybe a little less on the heet treet Rc. hardness and a surface hardening treatment. Like shot peening. Different types of tool steels at different hardnesses. It can be done. I have made several vises. The best jaws I have so far, I wood say, are D2 tool steel, heat treated to 56-58 Rc. Then they were peened to give the metal a micro rough surface and it can surface harden too. Then industrial chromed. Not beauty chrome like on a car. This stuff is HARD. The peening gives it a better surface to interlock to the metal. Then peened again with another chrome over that. Now they won't rust. Hard, not brittle, no rust, and the micro texture I swear grips the hook. I have NO slipping in those jaws. AT ALL!!! If you were to enlarge the jaws you would see almost a sandpaper like texture. Satin finish. LOw glare too. or is that to , or is that two. Help Mike. See pic. LOL MIke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vicente 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 I didn't really think there was any reason other than laziness and being cheap, since from a knife and tool perspective D2 is an excellent material with only downsides being rust and its toughness can make it hard to sharpen. I'm actually in the market for a laminate flooring/ siding shear one of the hand powered versions like a big paper cutter, got any recommendations? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SILKHDH 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Heavey nets looks like he will pass his kwiz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vicente 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Nice vise for some reason the picture didn't load for a minute Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SILKHDH 0 Report post Posted March 21, 2017 Vicente, it's probably all the porn and viruses attached to the picture is wy it loaded slow. Sorry. Just kidding, theirs probably no viruses. Theirs, uh there's, uh the're's ,, uh,, Mike!! help me out here bro.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
