Gene L 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 It really depends on the animal, some things can be bought, like jungle cock, but only with a permit. Others like eagle are completely illegal to possess. Cabela's I believe it was had jungle cock capes a few years ago. I bought one, didn't need a permit. I think they were farm raised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christopher K 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 It really depends on the animal, some things can be bought, like jungle cock, but only with a permit. Others like eagle are completely illegal to possess. Cabela's I believe it was had jungle cock capes a few years ago. I bought one, didn't need a permit. I think they were farm raised. Ya, in that case they have to sort the paperwork out, but believe me, it's still there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryon Anderson 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 I bought some mongoose hair from a very well-known fly shop in Michigan a few years back -- it's colors are perfect for the tail on an Adams, finer and stiffer than hackle fibers and it saves me the hassle of stacking 3 clumps of brown and grizzly hackle fibers. I used it for a couple of seasons, started to run low and tried to buy more, only to find there was none to be had. I'm assuming it became illegal to possess right after I bought mine. I plan to use it until it runs out. It's not like I can give it back to the mongoose... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AK Skim 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 You can legally purchase real seal dubbing in Canada, just don't get caught bring it across the boarder. Same with Cuban cigars. You try and get caught, a mistake you wish you never made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROTW 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 This is a really touchy subject. I've spent hours on the phone with the USFWS about buying migratory birds from hunters. I run a small business and wanted to purchase some waterfowl skins - absolutely not! They are protected under the migratory bird act. I can't even trade for them. I would have to apply for a permit from the USFWS to do this. I'm also a Hareline dealer and in their catalog you wouldn't believe all the fur and feathers that require a permit. It is up to Hareline to keep the records and for me to track my purchases. In this day and age, it's not easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, anymore. AK Skim said above that you can still get seal fur in Canada. This is true - W.W. Doak & Sons carry it but will not sell it out of the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishin'Jam 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 You can legally purchase real seal dubbing in Canada, just don't get caught bring it across the boarder. Same with Cuban cigars. You try and get caught, a mistake you wish you never made. Much the same cabelas will not ship things such as bucktail to Canada, across the border is supposed to be only domestic animals, goose, pigs, chicken etc. not saying it cannot be done but paperwork must be done. Pretty much the reason 0% of my natural tying materials come from USA. It is a trade off as i can use as much heron and polar bear as i like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AK Skim 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 the same cabelas will not ship things such as bucktail to Canada, I did not know that. Good point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christopher K 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 You can legally purchase real seal dubbing in Canada, just don't get caught bring it across the boarder. Same with Cuban cigars. You try and get caught, a mistake you wish you never made. Much the same cabelas will not ship things such as bucktail to Canada, across the border is supposed to be only domestic animals, goose, pigs, chicken etc. not saying it cannot be done but paperwork must be done. Pretty much the reason 0% of my natural tying materials come from USA. It is a trade off as i can use as much heron and polar bear as i like. Luckily bucktail is not a hard item to find in our shops BTW, seals fur is found in every fly shop up here, as is polar bear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishin'Jam 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 Oh Canada Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 possession of eagle feathers and parts. please read http://www.fws.gov/le/pdf/PossessionOfEagleFeathersFactSheet.pdf birds of prey/raptors http://www.blm.gov/id/st/en/prog/blm_special_areas/birds_of_prey_nca/links/raptor_possession.html you can purchase seal dubbing in the usa http://www.feathersmc.com/products/Seal Dubbing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve P 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 Also note that possession of a feather from a song bird such as a blue Jay or Cardinal is federally restricted. They are protected nation wide as song birds. Along with many many others. Can't even pick up a feather from the ground. Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyFishin'Jam 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 Also note that possession of a feather from a song bird such as a blue Jay or Cardinal is federally restricted. They are protected nation wide as song birds. Along with many many others. Can't even pick up a feather from the ground. Steve I have to say Oh Canada again as eurasian jay is completely fine to have and use here *grin* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flytire 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2014 Also note that possession of a feather from a song bird such as a blue Jay or Cardinal is federally restricted. They are protected nation wide as song birds. Along with many many others. Can't even pick up a feather from the ground. Steve I have to say Oh Canada again as eurasian jay is completely fine to have and use here *grin* Eurasian Jay is legal in the USA also. You can get it from Mike Vogue ether. At least that's where I got mine Birds protected in Canada http://www.ec.gc.ca/nature/default.asp?lang=En&n=496E2702-1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christopher K 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2014 Also note that possession of a feather from a song bird such as a blue Jay or Cardinal is federally restricted. They are protected nation wide as song birds. Along with many many others. Can't even pick up a feather from the ground. Steve I have to say Oh Canada again as eurasian jay is completely fine to have and use here *grin* Eurasian Jay is legal in the USA also. You can get it from Mike Vogue ether. At least that's where I got mine Birds protected in Canada http://www.ec.gc.ca/nature/default.asp?lang=En&n=496E2702-1 yup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goats 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2014 Miaassa hairs should be illegal to tie with in any country but I send all mine to Canada to avoid issues with the EPA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites