chugbug27

And not to imply it's a better resource than hatch charts and guide reports. It doesn't compare. Those you and flytire added seem of particularly top notch quality as well.

ChatGPT hallucinates, so yes it's not to be trusted, I just find it interesting. I did not mean to say or imply anything depreciating of your earlier post, and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

Here's what I got from Chat GPT, fwiw... Deschutes River Evening Fishing Default (GPT-3.5) What is the best fly fishing near Bend Oregon in mid August after 3:30pm each day, and why ChatGPT In mid-August after 3:30pm near Bend, Oregon, the Deschutes River is a popular fly fishing spot. The river's cooler temperatures during the evening provide a better fishing experience, and you're likely to find trout and steelhead. Its diverse insect hatches make it a productive location. Additionally, the scenic beauty of the area adds to the overall experience. What flies are regularly hatching on the Deschutes river after 3:30pm in mid-August, and for each both describe the insect's hatching behavior in general and specific to the hours after 3:30pm, and also explain in detail how local experts say is best to fly fish each hatch after 3:30 on that river in mid-August 2 / 2 ChatGPT In mid-August on the Deschutes River after 3:30pm, two common insect hatches are the Pale Evening Dun (Ephemerella inermis) and the Caddisflies. Pale Evening Dun (Ephemerella inermis): Hatching Behavior: These mayflies hatch in the late afternoon to early evening. They emerge by floating on the water's surface, shedding their nymphal shucks, and then flying away to lay eggs. The hatching process can create a substantial rise of fish activity. After 3:30pm Behavior: The hatch becomes more pronounced as the evening approaches. Trout become more active, focusing on the surface to feed on these insects. Fly Fishing Approach: Experts suggest using imitations like Comparadun or Sparkle Dun patterns. Present the fly with a drag-free drift to mimic the natural insect's behavior. Target the slower water near riffles and pockets, as well as areas with submerged rocks. Caddisflies: Hatching Behavior: Caddisflies hatch in the afternoon and evening, typically starting around late afternoon. They emerge from their pupal cases underwater, reaching the surface and taking off in flight. After 3:30pm Behavior: The caddis hatch intensifies, and trout actively feed on both the emergent pupae and the adult insects on the surface. Fly Fishing Approach: For emergent pupae, swing soft hackle or wet fly patterns near the surface. For adults, Elk Hair Caddis or X-Caddis imitations work well. Cast near the bank, submerged vegetation, or riffles where caddisflies congregate before taking flight. Overall, fishing during these hatches after 3:30pm requires precise presentation, as trout become more selective. Pay attention to the rise forms of the trout to determine their feeding behavior. Using a delicate approach and presenting the flies naturally will increase your chances of success. It's always advisable to consult local guides or fishing experts for the most up-to-date advice tailored to the current conditions on the Deschutes River. What size and coloration for the transitioning pmd and for the emerging Caddis pupae, specific to fly fishing the Deschutes in mid-Aust after 330 pm each day. Be as specific and detailed as possible 2 / 2 ChatGPT Certainly, here are some specific recommendations for fly size and coloration for the transitioning Pale Morning Dun (PMD) and emerging Caddis pupae when fly fishing the Deschutes River in mid-August after 3:30pm: 1. Transitioning Pale Morning Dun (PMD): Size: PMDs in mid-August are often around size 14-16, depending on the specific hatch. It's a good idea to have both sizes in your fly box. Coloration: Look for PMD imitations in shades of pale yellow, light tan, and creamy colors. The natural color of the PMD can vary, so having a range of shades is beneficial. 2. Emerging Caddis Pupae: Size: Caddis pupae in mid-August are usually around size 14-18, depending on the species. Similar to PMDs, having a variety of sizes is recommended. Coloration: Caddis pupae can have different color variations based on the species. For the Deschutes River, consider using olive, tan, or light brown imitations. These colors tend to match the local caddis pupae well. When fishing these hatches after 3:30pm: For PMDs: Use a dead-drift presentation to imitate the transitioning nymphs ascending towards the surface. Focus on slow-moving water, pools, and slower riffles where PMDs gather. Cast upstream and let the fly drift naturally downstream, mimicking the nymph's movement. For Emerging Caddis Pupae: Choose a pupal pattern like a Soft Hackle Caddis or a Pupa Emerger. Present the fly with a slightly twitching or skating action, imitating the pupae's efforts to break free from the water's surface. Target riffles, seams, and pocket water, as these are common places where caddis pupae emerge and trout feed actively. Remember that fish behavior can vary, so adapt your approach based on what you observe on the water. Additionally, local fly shops and guides can provide the most current information on hatch conditions and effective patterns for the specific time you'll be fishing. What about the Metolius ChatGPT Certainly, the Metolius River in Oregon is another fantastic fly fishing destination. Here are some tips for fly fishing the Metolius River in mid-August after 3:30pm: 1. Hatches: The Metolius River is known for its diverse insect hatches. In mid-August, you can expect to encounter hatches of Blue-Winged Olives (BWOs), Caddisflies, and potentially some Pale Morning Duns (PMDs). Blue-Winged Olives (BWOs): Size: BWOs are usually around size 16-20. Coloration: Imitations in shades of olive, gray, and brown work well. Presentation: Present your fly delicately on the water's surface. Fish tend to become selective during BWO hatches, so precise imitation is crucial. Caddisflies: Size: Similar to the Deschutes, caddis pupae imitations in sizes 14-18 are suitable. Coloration: Olive, tan, and light brown patterns are effective. Presentation: Use a slightly twitching or skating action to mimic emerging pupae. Focus on riffles and pocket water. 2. Approach: The Metolius River is known for its clear, cold water. Trout can be skittish, so a stealthy approach is important. Keep your casts accurate and avoid disturbing the water unnecessarily. Focus on pockets of calm water behind boulders, deep pools, and the seams between fast and slow currents. 3. Techniques: For dry fly fishing during hatches, use a gentle presentation to avoid spooking fish. For nymphing, use small beadhead nymphs that imitate the aquatic insects present. Use a tight line technique to detect subtle strikes. 4. Local Expert Advice: Local fly shops and guides near the Metolius River are valuable sources of information. They can provide up-to-date information on current hatches, effective fly patterns, and specific techniques that are successful on the river during mid-August. Remember that conditions can vary, and observing fish behavior and local advice will enhance your success. Enjoy your fly fishing experience on the beautiful Metolius River!

True. Stumped.

Up late, love a good puzzle....

If your aim is to raise money, I'd go through one of the established auction companies that handle rare outdoorsman collectibles, or maybe even a more general art / antique place like Bonham's etc. Look into a few of them, see what they suggest auctioning off (and how to market it) for raising money. There will be lots of interest, I'm sure, if it's arranged and marketed to tailor to the well heeled crowd. Might also find a willing volunteer here with deep knowledge to assist with selecting what items might have more value than the others. Heck, the Smithsonian may want some. If you don't need the cash yet, you might also raise money by lending it out for display in some fashion... but insure it first. It would attract a lot of tyers to tying events, I would think, which probably has some value. Tyers might pay a little extra "tribute money" to view it if they knew the $ was going to a good cause, then you could sell it later when the cash flow slows down and the bills speed up. You might also reach out to Ron Lucas' family to see what they did with his flies, hooks, and materials after Ron died. Might be worth collaborating if they haven't figured it out yet. These are just ideas, free ideas, so take them or leave them. I've had plenty of stupid ideas, but sometimes some very good ones... Best wishes.

+1, simple, elegant

Rit-Color-Formula-Guide (1) (1).pdf

More trikes!... This tie is from a couple of Brits, Peter Hayes and Don Stazicker, from their eBook, Flies that Trout Prefer. They call this style, "Flat in the Film" flies -- their idea on this style fly is to imitate crippled duns and spinners by tying the wings in the same plane of the hook curve, so as to better disguise the hook. The book is full of odd ideas like this one. Should be tied using the whole hook, but I only brought light wire curve hooks in a 20 (traveling), so I left the front of the shank bare to size these about 4 or 5 mm. We'll see if the trout notice. They insist on z-lon for everything (including the body, serendipity style) -- I used Aunt Lydia's for tail and wings, thread for abdomen, superfine dubbing for the thorax. Here's the female From the front: From the back: Lying flat on paper: Nice Marinaro and Rosborough ties, btw, really like them,

Trico time... Im trying out a tail-less snowshoe spinner by Eric Stroud. These are 3.5 mm and 5 mm bodies (male, female) on a #20 Tiemco light wire 2457, just thread and snowshoe.

"I'm back!"

George Herter wrote this in 1941 about his "newest thing in vise making": As of 1949 he wrote they were still used mainly for production tying: Between 1941 (Herter) and 1978 (Renzetti patent), there was universal (1950s), as you mention... Here's an article on Universal that BHouk posted on this forum previously: http://www.mtfa-springfield.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Universal-Rotary-Fly-Tying-Vises.pdf Pamola made a precision machined (not sure what the right word is to distinguish it) version of the universal, calling it a lathe vise, but I can't find if that was pre-Renzetti (1978) or pre-HMH (1975). These rudimentary "watchmaker style" vises were still being sold retail to fly tyers in the 1950's, apparently: Here's an interesting "history lesson" type article claiming that the modern vise phenomenon started when Boomers with money to spend on such things allowed the manufacturers to do their thing, and build and market a true high quality vise starting in the mid-1970's, ala HMH, Renzetti, and Regal: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.piscator.co.za/CPS2/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/The-Origins-of-the-Fly-Tying-Vice-Ian-Cox.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjOsYfRgp-AAxXomGoFHYtFA9QQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2K0LgvpplHzs6qEhFwDTpj

Nice!

Sorry to hear niveker, dogs aren't called man's best friend for nothing, that's for sure. Great looking dog

Good to know Gene, which vise did you buy from them if you don't mind my asking?

👍👍 Welcome back!

I never took good care of myself when I worked full time. Total turn-around after even just semi-retirement.

It's been too long, what can I say

The next page and previous page and end page buttons seem to be working!!

Just keep walking down that long road, and tie and fish when you can. The trout may tease you a little more but they'll still bite I bet. And their tug will feel that much better to you.

Does the "elegant, handcrafted cigar-style wooden box signed by Andy with the 50th year anniversary logo lasered engraved on the lid" come with a rubber band to keep the lid on tight? 😉

Bryon Anderson on this forum makes great nets... https://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?/topic/89180-landing-net-finally-a-long-ish-story/ https://truenorthtrout.com/2020/12/bryon-anderson-nets/ https://www.etsy.com/shop/stonycreekwoodworks?fbclid=IwAR0H1baO-jQtjJPsDy8GQTSHh4CcB4ZDIWlDoswiQQPf662joeYQmp02WSw

Saw this out new(ish?) today from Charlie Craven, popped up on my phone as it probably did for many others.... Regardless, he speaks to all these issues, and his vid and tying is top notch and compelling as always. https://youtu.be/OCJX9Mmi4mk

Wow TT, glad you made it through, what a sh-show it all can be, better days to come!

,👍👍